tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post4213668355511607982..comments2008-02-29T04:48:01.843-05:00ottlibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-3510347309066279482008-02-29T04:48:00.000-05:002008-02-29T04:48:00.000-05:00Tony Guitar has it pretty well nailed down. A strong opposition is a good thing in a minority government. I'm just waiting until we see one. ..... Crickets......<BR/><BR/>...... more crickets.......<BR/><BR/>Dion is the leader of a political party that has absolutely zero vision, or at best, any kind of platform to offer Canadians. No policy, no new ideas and the only reason they have the polling numbers they do is because the 'average Toronto voter' still thinks Harper is hiding his famous HIDDEN AGENDA they keep talking about.<BR/><BR/>The hidden agenda is what we are seeing in this 3rd budget, responsible government, fair, inclusive and innovative. It may not be what special interest groups are used to, but it is not pandering to them either. <BR/><BR/>No single party can make everybody happy, There is no need to try. That is WHY we have different parties to begin with... Ideology is what separates them from the rest. It seems obvious to me that as elections go, the conservatives won the last one, and in the next one, they will do the same. it may still be a minority, but the resident of 24 Sussex isn't going to change for the foreseeable future...... unless Dion and the Liberal Party stop trying so hard to get back power at any cost, and start to offer a viable alternative and new ideas in which to capture the imaginations of 'not-Toronto' Canadians.<BR/><BR/>If you draw a circle of a hundred-or-so miles around the 3 biggest cities in this country, you'll see the power the conservatives wield outside those circles. Within those circles, you have a denser amount of seats in the HoC. They represent two things: A distortion of the mood of the country as a whole, and similar distortion in the policies of the Liberals. They don't care much about any other parts of Canada as a whole, but pander shamelessly to urban-only concerns and special interest groups. In other words, they can't govern the country in its entirety, balancing the needs of all Canadians, but prefer, instead, to only those in voter-rich urban areas. They forget that what is good for Toronto is not what is good for BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan or PEI. <BR/><BR/>Is Canada a reflection of both rural and urban? Or just urban Toronto? Liberal party ideas seem to spite most of the geography of Canada in favor of the heavy concentrations of seats, NOT people.arctic_fronthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16189095097119030301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-27502562132100567012008-02-29T02:09:00.000-05:002008-02-29T02:09:00.000-05:00Ottlib,<BR/><BR/> The first rule that will increase your blog following is simply never refer to anyone with a label or name like *troll*.<BR/><BR/>It shows that you prefer to pout rather than think and offer good argument.<BR/><BR/>In my 3:32 comment, I have given you the *cure* for the Liberal Party.<BR/><BR/>Bob Rae. He is a contender and Harper will certainly snap to attention when he has to duel with Bob.<BR/><BR/>The best thing for Canada is a strong opposition.<BR/><BR/>While I back Harper, I want you guys to keep him sharp. = TGTonyGuitarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02776707579617985174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-38963533139638528342008-02-28T23:50:00.000-05:002008-02-28T23:50:00.000-05:00That Dion is so clever that if his plan had a tail you could call it a weasel! <BR/><BR/>If he keeps winning these strategic victories over Harper that prevent elections, Harper will be PM for ever and Dion will go down as the most brilliant strategist never to attain power.<BR/><BR/>Super Duper, Ottlib! Like that Iraqi propaganda ministerNotlibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12808539142752048798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-59443689368099279222008-02-28T22:25:00.000-05:002008-02-28T22:25:00.000-05:00What kind of drugs are the liberals smoking these days? To think that they are somehow winning is delusional at the best, insane is more like it. They have a weak kneed leader who should be turfed for the way he’s acting and they are proud of him? What a pathetic excuse for an official opposition. The Monty Python analogy is an understatement. <BR/>I used to have respect for the liberal party but not anymore.Baheerahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08146344409917244749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-50781061409273225472008-02-28T17:08:00.000-05:002008-02-28T17:08:00.000-05:00"If not for George Washington's embrace of a series of 'strategic retreats' during the summer and fall of 1776, the American Revolutionary War could have had a very different outcome. <BR/>Carry on Mr. Dion"<BR/><BR/> Actually, this is more comparable to that Monty Python bit where the knight has both his arms cut off, and says "it's only a flesh wound", and wants to keep fighting.paulsstuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01813949388254801232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-67852075660013125332008-02-28T16:50:00.000-05:002008-02-28T16:50:00.000-05:00This is one of the best examples of spin I have ever seen! I salute you.Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17411917904649558786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-46108749433269402572008-02-28T16:48:00.000-05:002008-02-28T16:48:00.000-05:00"Because the fact is Stephen Harper has tried to trigger an election three times and he has failed on all three attempts."<BR/><BR/>Please, please explain HOW he has tried to trigger an election. He is simply trying to get legislation passed and if he has to use the "threat"of an election to do it, well as you can see, it seems to work. <BR/><BR/>political strategy...Stephen Harper has it in spades over your boy Dion who threatens then backs down, treatens, then backs down, threatens, then backs down......Donnahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08285990094040133979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-32965274207550132262008-02-28T14:20:00.000-05:002008-02-28T14:20:00.000-05:00I find your political take on the situation most enlightening...which leaves me to ask just what is good partisan governing about except to further the party in power's adgenda.<BR/>Remember,the Conservatives are moving their adgenda forward and the Liberals ARE helping them do just that. This is a prime text-book example of a symbiotic relationship; with Canada being the end beneficial recipient.<BR/>However all that being said,if one is going to make faces at the lion it is advisable to do it outside the bars!<BR/>The fact that Dion and his Liberals do what they do begrudgingly in HoC shows to me that this is not protracted strategy towards the governing party but instead an act of desperation.<BR/>When the 'wash is off the line' meaning the next mandated election and the Conservatives have governed for their full term;it will be interesting to hear your take on Dion's strategy at that time.<BR/>Yes I am a Conservative, but I would like to think that being so doesn't afford me troll status.<BR/><BR/>As Paulstuff said...you can thank Kate for increased exposure.<BR/>I'm not normally here but will thank you for your hospitality in advance.simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07555210479383261349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-49931673617281757072008-02-28T12:56:00.000-05:002008-02-28T12:56:00.000-05:00If not for George Washington's embrace of a series of 'strategic retreats' during the summer and fall of 1776, the American Revolutionary War could have had a very different outcome. <BR/>Carry on Mr. Dion.Lord Omarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12058734544373976550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-14536240301658815362008-02-28T12:42:00.000-05:002008-02-28T12:42:00.000-05:00ottlib:<BR/><BR/>Take a brief respite from patting yourself on the back for your genius and insight to consider this:<BR/><BR/>You seem to have overlooked one critical point in your supposedly trenchant analysis: Steven Harper is entering his 3rd years as Prime Minister of Canada and the Conservative Party is well and truly in power. His recent budget will pass, and they will remain in power for some time to come.<BR/><BR/>Tell me again why this is yet another triumphant victory for Stephane Dion and the Liberals?<BR/><BR/>You can sugar-coat the situation any way you want if it makes you feel good, my naive friend, but at the end of the day, you're out, we're in. That's all that counts. <BR/><BR/>Get used to it.Concerned Parentshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10282196797165134540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-39374294890919413592008-02-28T12:32:00.000-05:002008-02-28T12:32:00.000-05:00"Most seem to disagree with me but none have really advanced arguments to refute mine that have not already been heard before."<BR/><BR/> Hey, don't believe we trolls. But apparently Dion is so brilliant he has even managed to outwit the media, including the CBC and CTV, not to mention the Toronto Star among other print publications.<BR/><BR/> Hey, when you've got Taber, Travers, Fife, Duffy, , Richardson, Newman and the like saying how Harper has outwitted Dion at every turn, you might want to believe it.<BR/><BR/> If your wondering why you have a record number of posts, thank Kate.paulsstuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01813949388254801232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-45367519065349611682008-02-28T12:09:00.000-05:002008-02-28T12:09:00.000-05:00heheheheh.<BR/><BR/>Most comments I have ever had on one of my blogs.<BR/><BR/>Most seem to disagree with me but none have really advanced arguments to refute mine that have not already been heard before.<BR/><BR/>You Conservative trolls are going to have to try harder.<BR/><BR/>Because the fact is Stephen Harper has tried to trigger an election three times and he has failed on all three attempts.<BR/><BR/>If Stephen Harper is such a great political strategist you have to be asking yourself why that is.<BR/><BR/>Hint: It was not by accident.<BR/><BR/>I could go on but I would suggest the trolls just read my post again but without the blue coloured glasses.<BR/><BR/>jay: I agree.ottlibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-966665833012108052008-02-28T11:53:00.000-05:002008-02-28T11:53:00.000-05:00"Nothing gets trolls out and foaming more than the truth"<BR/><BR/>Foaming? Geesh Jay, that isn't foaming indignation you are seeing from we "trolls", but incredulous sympathy that you and Ottlib actually BELIEVE this. .Donnahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08285990094040133979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-40906258507215674492008-02-28T11:20:00.000-05:002008-02-28T11:20:00.000-05:00Half of the Liberals are scared to death of an election as it will spell the end of their careers.<BR/><BR/>Dion knows he will lose and that will end his career.<BR/><BR/>The battle between the Iggy troops and the Ray troops to replace the impotent Dion, will further fracture the already comatose and schizoid Liberal party and everyone knows it.<BR/><BR/>You have your illusion about why Dion is avoiding an election. I have just explained it. Now you can consider the reality. Majority or minority, Harper will be in power for many more years.<BR/><BR/>And FYI it is very likely that McCain will be the next president of the USA. <BR/><BR/>How's your tummy now?John Westhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15537437305715663729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-52150680483648839742008-02-28T10:53:00.000-05:002008-02-28T10:53:00.000-05:00Seems you hit a nerve ottlib. Nothing gets trolls out and foaming more than the truth.Jayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17404234601709022496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-74520346507193690302008-02-28T10:50:00.000-05:002008-02-28T10:50:00.000-05:00Estimated survival time given to this Conservative government by political pundits in January 2006 - several months at maximum.<BR/><BR/>Current length the Conservatives have been governing: 2 years, 1 month, and counting. Unlimited, as long as Stephane Dion remains leader of the opposition.<BR/><BR/>Ottlib, keep on believing this was a victory for Dion and the rest of his surrender-monkies - you're only deluding yourself.Dantéhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10905072530510599506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-2452082176288077232008-02-28T10:46:00.000-05:002008-02-28T10:46:00.000-05:00For the record, your converstional prose is really deffective.<BR/><BR/>But hilarious!<BR/>Thanks for the laugh ottlib<BR/><BR/>richfisherRichardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12325767025150040034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-59326921526715603462008-02-28T10:05:00.000-05:002008-02-28T10:05:00.000-05:00The Broadway production number put on by Rick Mercer this week suggests that Dion has Harper right where Harper wants himself.<BR/><BR/>Dion can't keep talking like the Conservative agenda is an egregious affront to all decent citizens, and then go vote in support of the government.rabbithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12371229772899723851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-41995391431067173782008-02-28T08:58:00.000-05:002008-02-28T08:58:00.000-05:00WHAT! I actually thought this might be a joke, but it appears that you really do believe what you are saying. <BR/><BR/>Which is really quite funny. <BR/><BR/>Stephen Harper has outmanouvered Dion at every turn and yet you are able to see the Liberals glass half full - well it is always good to be an optimist.Donnahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08285990094040133979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-14771556745454143992008-02-28T08:54:00.000-05:002008-02-28T08:54:00.000-05:00Wow, do you believe in Unicorns, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny too?<BR/><BR/>"You know this because you did exactly the same thing when you were opposing Paul Martin. You propped him up two or three times in order to wait for the time you thought was more advantageous to you."<BR/><BR/> Actually, Martin and the Libs would have been booted out far earlier, if not for the fact they kept cancelling opposition days to avoid confidence votes, not to mention the votes they lost but ignored. Not to mention giving Stronach a cabinet position to switch sides to save their asses from a confidence vote.<BR/><BR/> Hey, at least you are one of those glass half full people.paulsstuffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01813949388254801232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-1598912626281077162008-02-28T08:51:00.001-05:002008-02-28T08:51:00.001-05:00<I> “We will find a way to not defeat the government..</I><BR/><BR/>That has got to be Dions best line ever. <BR/><BR/>And right after that Dion said, <BR/><BR/>"You just wait Haprer, I'm drinking milk now...."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>---Plattyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11002593634392269611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-76873154332025200902008-02-28T08:51:00.000-05:002008-02-28T08:51:00.000-05:00ottlib,<BR/><BR/>I agree with you completely. Dion is being badly underestimated by friend and foe alike. I posted an entry to the same effect yesterday morning, at: <A HREF="http://cdlu.net/entries/20080227.shtml" REL="nofollow">http://cdlu.net/entries/20080227.shtml</A>.cdluhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14618664567798586992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-70613386256728174792008-02-28T08:33:00.000-05:002008-02-28T08:33:00.000-05:00spoken a like a true Liberal Kool-Aid drinker.<BR/><BR/>Harper plays you fools for the fools you are while Steffi "unites" your party into fractions & pieces.<BR/><BR/>Ohh its good to laugh at Liberals.<BR/><BR/>So good.Fred -http://www.blogger.com/profile/04413124417966264742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-49265926784653857422008-02-28T07:49:00.000-05:002008-02-28T07:49:00.000-05:00Liberals are so scared of an election they will give Harper anything he wants,marginalizedactiondinosaurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14138211834458993336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20694038.post-11160052187972056332008-02-28T03:32:00.000-05:002008-02-28T03:32:00.000-05:00Warning, try not to let the balmy warm breezes lull you into too much comfort.<BR/><BR/>It may be wise to ponder the other side of the coin at SmallDeadAnimals.com and then decide.<BR/><BR/>If you like making wise decisions based on solid facts and links to back them up, you may gain from knowing the full story.<BR/><BR/>If you want the Liberal Party to gain ground or indeed survive, I suggest a quick leadership review and get velvet tongued Rae as leader in as soon as you can. = TGTonyGuitarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02776707579617985174noreply@blogger.com